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How To Have A More Conscious Christmas

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In this episode, Karen, founder of Blomma Beauty is chatting with Sue Campbell, founder of plastic free shampoo and conditioner bars KIND2 and Georgina Wilson-Powell, founder of sustainable lifestyle digital magazine Pebble Mag about how to shop more consciously this Christmas. In light of the pandemic many people have chosen to live more sustainably, ethically and mindfully. Whether you're new to conscious living or are a firm advocate of shopping your values already, Sue and Georgina share some incredible tips on how we can reimagine Christmas to shop, eat and travel more consciously without having to minimise the joy and love spread around this time of year. 

You are listening to you, the consciousBeaut, an well being podcast IAM, Karen, the founder of organic beauty in whilebeing retailer Blommadusi, and today's episode is with soup from kind to andGeorgina from Pepbelmak we're talking about how to make Christmas moreconscious, whether it's more sustainable ethical, charitable woman,a molest. We had a great char about the meaning of Christmas, particularly inlight of this year's pandemic and Georgina and syou shares a fantastictit and how you can shop more mindfully. This Christmas. I hope you enjoy today, I enjoind by Su Campbell, who isthe founder of kind to which is natural plastic, free and multi, ordwinning,Shampoo and conditionof bars and Georgina Wilson Powell, who is thefounder and editor of Pevelmag, which is an online sustainable lifestylemagazine and we're going to be talking about how to have a more consciousChristmas. I think after the year we've had more and more people are seeming tobe wanting to make more conscious choices, whether that's from an ethicalor a sustainable sandpoint. So we're coming to this conversation with lotsof different perspectives. All from owning consciously minded businesses,but also we are all consumers to so. Hopefully, there's going to be lots oftakeaways from this episode on how to consider a different approach to a timeof year. That's regularly centered on spending and excess, so welcome t anTTO, hi hello. Thank you, Carrenyou, it'sgood to Seeo to see. Let's start with you, you have a consciously mindedgrand tell as a little bit more about kind to and and why wanted to have suchconscious credenptials foyour products, so comto is really all about trying toeliminate plastic at source. I had this brain wave that if I wanted to actuallyhave an impact on plastic pollution in order to do something above and beyondmy own recycling, I really needed to create a brand or create an opportunity,but actually could leverage. So I start a kind to because I know that I caneffectively eliminate a plastic bottle or two plastic bottles or three plasticbottles every single time. Somebody buys my products and I really want itto be something that actually grows and becomes normal plastic. Free posmeticsreally can be the new normal and that's ultimately, my ambition with kind toyeah normal and just as effective. We ere actually Tom, of course, about howeffective your products are, and you really want to make it an easy swapnot a difficult swap say that people who are maybe less knowledgeable about it can feelconfident, making a swap thayre still going to be just as effective at thatheir hacras. So I think, and and it doesn't have domn compromise- Iactually have to say my heir- is in the best condition. It's ever been so yeah that in itself- as I guess goodenough for me, so I'm hoping it's good enough for everybody else. El! You arewalking advert for your for Tsorgousyeah Yeah. I do Eah, I mean see, and I basbic fansof PEBILMAG, which is kind of how we came to collaborate today, but yourmagazine is focused on consciouses statable, ethical lifestyle, talk to usabout Peblum and why Yo felt that was so important to start the magazine based on that?Well, I think a lot of people like myself and Su start their businessesbecause they feel a need the there's a need for change, ands the idea behindof changing opinions and changing mindsets and moving consumers away fromsome over consumption and like mindless consumption, and so I thought aboutstarting a brand four years ago, but really my my schools. Likecommunication, I've been a magazine editor forever. You know I've worked TI magazineforever. So, for me, pebble was a a similar vicol to sus. Like you know, itwas the way to talk about how to normalize. What we now know is t atconscious consumerism and talk about...

...waste and past it ways and zero wavesand all the other issues t thet peble talks about. So we cover everything todo with lifestyle. So, whether that's the clotes, you wear the food. You eatthe places. You Go, the people you talk to and we're trying to move consumersaway from. You know just the perhaps where they've been before, which is notthinking about before and after they buy products or before anafter. They dothings and actually thought to talk about their supply chains and talkabout how we can change and what we can do and also give people a bit of whatwe call active hope, which we call everyday activism of the on the websiteand on the magazine it to empower them, because we get toldso often that individual choices can't make a difference. And if that was true,businesses like yourself and so wouldn't exist, they wouldn't begrowing. So I think it's you know it's the rightopposite of that individuals can make a real difference and we want to be ableto make that as easy as possible. An give them as much information as forschool to make those changes yeah. I think it's so great that the platformlike yours exist, because you know I com at it from a retail, effectiveshouting about all these wonderful, independent brands that are doingsomething really lovely and conscious in the world. But you kind of grewingeverything together, not just from a a shopping perspective. It's about howyou can live or life and again it's making it easy to do so. So I thinkthat is like smmare waves make big change, don't they and I think you'reabsolutelya ing that which is fantastic, but yet we're here stay talk aboutChristmas, which seems a little bit strange because we're recording thisand October God this year, everyone's really looking forward to Christmas,Afteri, lockdown pandemics and you know a bit of a dreary reery year. I shouldbe honest, but if we zoom out from that at the movment historically, I thinkChristmas is always, or maybe, in recent years, been really centeredaround consumption Y, whether that's how decodant Christmas dinner is or howmany gifts you give people or how much you spend or why. Why do you both think that is so?Why do you think people are so geared up to consume around Christmas yeah? I had really good think aboutthat, and I think a lot of it is about it's an overt demonstration of soddning.Now, whether they're overt demonstration is saying how much youknow I love Meu and as of my family, and I want to shower you with gifts inorder to demonstrate that love or potentially and overta demonstration ofhow successful I am so, I can buy lots of gifts and so on, and I just thinkit's really. Our society as a whole. Consumerism is just become part of whatdrives the economy, but also how people define themselves and social media isprobably exacerbated that beculd probably spend all afternoon talkingabout the impact of social media and consumerism. But it's one of those things that Isort of find it. I guess can't think quite the right word offensive isprobably too strong a worn but overly audacious consumption is so pointless,it's so empty, and it doesn't necessarily make it happy. But perhapsyou we're led to believe that by advertising bying the next shiny, bignew thing, we will be happier a just, not true yeah. I think you put it onthe hat the name on my head therreits, that hamster wheel of if I attain thisor I get you that Nasszy new thing, then you'll feel that rush of happinessand Cintendent, but actually then you've achieved that. So you need to move on to the next thing.I think advertising really speeds up that process in our brains that make usfeel those feelings and want that feelin again very quickly. To I thinkthis we had a stat around this. That says there was some research thon acouple years ago and for every new thing that you buy, that feeling ofhappiness that endorpin Irash last...

...three days before it disappears, andyou want the next thing. So it is very a very short hamster I a wheel and weare getting up to think: There's, always something bigger and better andsomethingt's going to improve our life or make us happier, and I think tferChristmas thoug as well as built as well. Perhaps you haven't spent oughtime with somebody or you. You know you want to keep up w h with family memberor you know, there's a lot of showmanship. Isn't there around Tissdifting, and I think that's also something we have to tackle. That kindof mindset of like you've got to give enugh or you've get got to give morethan enough and actually time and energy and love and thought going intothings is, is so much more valuable yeah than o much then ix, post, yeah there's a couple of points in there eIIn quite interesting. It's I think. Products now are built for obsolutence,and so you team that, with that three day, Stau, which is Taggerig, I've notheard that before o I have and the fact that things are designed to break orwear out or you know whatever and that's that' speeding that up as wellof how often you need to buy things, and I think the joy that you get fromthings that become up solete very quickly makes you feel like you need to keepbuying say that you get that feeling again. Whereas if you buy quality, notquantity, then you can maintain those feelings. I think for MUC longer andhopefully make that stap creep up at least a few days it'smean and howmacing is it to have a Christmas present that you're still using thenext Christmas? Like my mom got me like a glass and Cork Keik Cup a couple ofyears ago, it's literally one much treasure possession because it'sUnbreakwat it doesn't leak. It's amazing held. I mean I'm not using it so muchat the moment, because people are kisking them, but I just think it's so nice. I I'vehad something: that's really practical for the last few years that was aChristmas present, that's carried on you know being around and I guess youcan can top up with. Like all the stuff you haven't bought yourself over theyear or all the stuff that you want. Actually it's just not it's notnecessary, yeah and yeah. I Ik just saying you probably use that cup andyou think of the person that gave you that gift and you still have that joyyeah when you use it, which is really nice. That's never ending gift as well,which was nice, and do you think? Let's, let's talk about this year, I thinkit's going to be the Olein, the re I'me going to have to mention it at somepoint. But do you think that what's happened thisyear? Everyone's notice, you know a mark difference in the environment.People have spent less they've reassessed their priorities. Perhaps bystaying in more or staying places at home, traveling less. Do you see or have you felt that people's attitudes arechanging to ofumption? I think I think a lot of people's actuals havechanged. I think Christmas is going to be a challenge. Okay, I wonder whethersome people will slip back into the by everthing kind of mentalities becausethey haven't done it the rest of the year and Christmas is a time forspoiling yourself and eating everytheck and all the es to bat. But I reallyhope there's a lot of people out there who do take into account what they'velived without so far this year and perhaps they've bought less or they'veorlitered their water over or they've pledged to not buy anything fastfashion or everything, and really actually communicate that out tofriends and family or loved ones. Who you know, because quite often you getlot gifts, each other want to Christmas, ferup or don't fit your values or thatyou wouldn't use. So I think thires maybe needs to be reassessment of likehow we communicate what we want for Christmas as well of what's acceptable.What's appreciatid, you know, because...

...also without having those conversations we can, we can just end by endlessstuff for each other yeah, and I really hope people as well wil will kind ofuse Christmas to o of find stuff. That's useful for them. So, like youknow, if you're spending more time outside good pait of hiking boots oryou know, if you're trying to live withoutcastic, then kind. I beautyproducts. You know, I think, hopefully we can spend lessand have less pressure on ourselves, because I think a lot of people as wellare struggling financially will be struggling finantually over Christmas.So, let's strip out that pressure to kind of all get over tordnr on ourcredit cards just for stuff. We don't need yeah andsee. What do you think ifyou've seen any changes? Maybe in your kind to you customer behavior of Purchawitferently or we cin a SURAC earlier the year in the year where we actuallyasked twoserd people who weren't customers? I was using a survey Thithat I was introduced to, and we asked some pretty simple questions about ifpeople had actually made sustainable changes in their lifestyle, so it wasreally about action. Vesus intention and more than fifty percent of peoplesaid that they had, which I found incredibly reassuring. It was a relatively open question, so Ithink sustainability means different things to different people and theimpact that certain changes will have obviously depend on your lifestyle. ButI do think there's a lot of talk about the fact that this pandemic and thechanges that it's made to the world has caused people to stop and think so. I'mhoping that actually that then turns into changes in consumption habits andso on. But then yeail go to the supermarket and I see people piling anto their trolleys. All sorts of plastic, hellor, waiding toys and loi od thismorning, and I think maybe it's just because I'm operating in a bubble whereI talkd to a lot of people about similar things. So you I assume, thenpeople share the same values as me, but I would say overall, I feel thatthere is a broader movement in the direction of more thoughtfulconsumerism, so that takes lots of different forms and I do hope itdoesn't put as much financial pressure on people because actually I think it'sdreadful that some people feel huge pressure to spend money. But perhapsthey don't necessarily have a lot of on things that they don't necessarily need. I think it's when you see those tinsstatched up in the seaper market of all of those bok clips yeano ready do. Iknow it's like it's starting to put inpeople's minds that they need to start making them sexual purchasinunder as well, because because people don't quite know where they're going tobe this Christmas, I want an so many people, so any PEOPL,I'm talking to their plans as still very much off in e air, whereas, like Iknow my family, our paents would have been sorted months ago. I Din knowwhere roneas going to be Al Wis going to go on. So I wonder whether almostthat's going to curtail some spending, because it's more important, we get ourfamilies together or we figure out what we're doing then spending huge amountson huge gifts. You know, I think Wewe, do this appreciation this year of ourhealth, our environment, our family is really coming first and I'd love it. Ifthat stayed like the same pirorty thoughout Christmas, that would beamazing. Yeah now I agree. I think that's a good point actually, because you know maybe traveling and spendingthe money on traveling to someone iis going to be more important thanshowering them with lots of gifts that you've automatically posted to thehouse for a huge big retailer, or you know, Itste, just Gei, just geing to seepeople because we haven't we've all missed our family and friends Al Year.I think that actually could be quite a gift in itself. You know just beingable to spend time with people yeah,...

...and what do you think? I mean we'reusing the word conscious, but I awals woult of wrap that up to be lots ofdifferent things and, as so said, different things to different people.It can mean Sustaynmar, it can mean ethical choices. It can mean charitablechoices. For me, it can bein organic choices atProem UC. What? What do you think this are some conscious approaches thatpeople might want to consider this year if you've got any example Su of an approach, maybe an ethical one forkind to that people might want to givethem. I think for a lot of people, it's thetime to give the that giving can actually take lots of different formsso giving to charities, because I do actually think a lot more people. ThisChristmas are going to be ind di financial circumstances due to thingsthat they simply can't control so and that's the case not onlyng on your kabut across the rest of the world and in my family there's always been atradition of giving to charities of your choiceing in secret center andthings like that, rather than actually giving each other things that we didn'tneed. I like to see that there's a lot moreof that and that charities actually a benefiting from people's generosity, but I think a lot of it comes down tomaking personal decisions about what makes you feel good and, like I said,'s, the choices coald be wheth it something that's ethically saurce ororganic, or whatever I mean once you start to get into this. You realizethere's so many different dimensions to the decision and all of them have their pros an GRAC.It's never really binary straightforward decision so and also I've been doing quite a bit ofwork actually trying to get in font of people for Christmas gift guys andthere's a really strong push across mainstream media to support small,independent brands and businesses- and I guess all three of US Fallin intothat categry and as long way that continues Gos Ik,cansard, independent pecesses are really is thebig part of the economy and yet in Britain and a really important part ofthe economy to I agree- and I hope that I think it's Frontin mind at the momentand it has been trap an direcand. It's really FANTAIC, but I think, as we getcloser to that Christmas deadline, I really hope that people may be moreorganized hat. They can shop without independence rather than H, relying onsomeone. That's maybe seper fast, that necessariy doesn't contryte as much toAri, see mentioning their names but yeah. Of course, I think it's a Lyou,mentione conscious and a really good way to be a conscious shopper. If youdo nothing else, is shop independent and that does take a bit more thought.You need to find them. We have a good gift guy coming out next week. Ifanyone wants Tobut, I also you know take in to a count e Fat Tat. Theyperhaps can't deliver overnight tor, perhaps you're getting something made,the spoke or perslized all those kind of things, so I think really Mak theeffort to find Ose, independent brands and support the independent makers andcrafters, and especially British people, British businesses, as well so you'alkind of reducing air miles. There are so many environmental benefits to beinga kind of independent shopper as well aside for IUTACT, you know that moneyis going to people that really probably need it and appreciate it. So I think that is it's a really easything that you can do yeah, I mean there's a common thing amongst indies,like every time you get in order, someone does a it dance yeah. I look atthat. Sometimes it size, I a O, it's a little bit easy, but it's so true. Every quarder we getmy sister runs teVentaa business on XC and on Instagram, and she has a Kacon sign every time. Somixe a a saile and it's on her phone.

We all do a little like it's amazing yeah and I think it's justso much I mean I'm obviously bias weare BIASD, but I just feel it' so much morepersonal, like a lot of our customers, I'll chat with them quite regularly oremail back and forth an feel like I know them, whereas you know ifsomething was to go wrong with like a huge big retailor. I just don't feelthat I would get the same level of care and that's almost you kind of want that,especially around Christmas. Knowing that someone cares so much about yourloved one, getting something that matches their expectations. Yes, O big, big, big up for Indievisinesseses for sure I think as well, particularly if you're short of money making things can be a really great wayto be conscious use less. I hapely, no one for my family is going to read this.I listen to this, but you know learning how to make Har scrund cheeseat the moment a good little stocking fillar. You canuse up oddanenc of fabric. If, yes, maybe shorn discur or something andeveryone's got elastic, if they're making a homemade mask for covering their face and they go out,so I think yeah just finding little projects that you can do, and it really connects me to thatperson. I think, while I'm making it like it's not the highest quality inthe world, but I think it brings you, but it's it's thoughom business like Imade my edible presence for most people last year and it took forever, but Ireally enjoy doing it and racking what differently as to keep out what peoplelike to eat and their flavors and things- and I know wwe- always run lotsof craft features around Christmas and like edible gifts that you can make andthey're really really popular, and I think hopefully theyl we e more popularthis year, but I think people want put that esfet get that thought and I think as well a the otherst big bit decoratea. Sorry,the other big bid of Christmas for me, is the decorations and we always dolike craft features around decorations, especially using up leftover paper andleftover like Twig, Om outside and hat it's auterm and things. So I think,againit's another whole aspect of stuff. You can cut down on and cut down thewaves and cut down the expense number of people. I know who go out and buynew Christmas decorations every year because they want a different theme orsomthing. You know it's just itabit nuts yeah have have literally the samethree little Christmas decorations that we just get out of a box and we justhang them N on Candalabra. That's it that's a Christmas tbut masket! I dohave the same. Every year I get out which hive collected over Ou. We alwaysmake the decorations tat of like left over it to paper or macazines andthings- and I think again, you know something nice that you can do as afamily yeah it does. It brings you together and I get joy out of seeingthe same ones year after year. It takes me back to my childhood F. This roundof little eggs or birds, or or of those wooden things that Goin the treat soyeah, I think it's particularly tinsils quite bad o the enhiroment, but also I think,wrapping as well is something that is just such an expense, not always recyclable,and it's gone in a flash CV. Products are all classic free, including thebars themselves. You must feel pretty strongly about packaging and wrappingat Christmas. Do you do anything minimize that we actually have some running jokes inour family, where I get the same paper bag out every year. That has still hashusbands, name on it very Christlisto and then there's another one from Santa,and then I just pack them away at the GTHAT Christmas and I'll bring themabout a year later and they literally...

...are hi the down. Look quite Tutty, butit's like Oh y Gosh, this soks familiar it's the same paper bag that combinefidea a bit of wrapping and newspaper and gifts inside really giant boxesthat turn it to be really tiny. The sorts of things that we do in in ourfamily I do know. I cannot remember the last time I bought wrapping paper. Imean it must be so long ago, yeah, so one of the bagss actuallybizarely a bag from a chicken shop in Hong Kong when we used to live, but itwas his favorite chicken shotso an it's becomes a bit of an injuct Y sentment O.I love that Od, you go. How about you, I this opportuniitis, isn't it tocreate your own traditions and to create something special like a fewChristmases, a guy made. You know likes you remember like potato stames, yes,and do it you do basic protisal. I made all he imadal the wrong paper out that,and it's just like newspaper with like bright paint on and stuff, and it was Ihad so much fun doing it and I kind did want people fom at thei presence. Ilike they Lok Realy, but I think you'r. So right, like you,only use it for a couple of seconds and like what does it really matter itcomes at you might as well, make it fun or funny. You know it doesn't have tobe. You know super deeper, amazinglywrapped up and anything with, since you know how you can tell if it'srecyplebol or not like if it's, if it's scrumpsy and doesn't stay scanchy, thenyou can't you can't recycle it. Okay, good TICP, I think Thare's, probably a lot thatconbet recycled it ter was like everything thing, O Aoafell, which isAl Rapid Yeah. We tend to circulate amongst friends for birthdays as wellas Christmas. Wo give well swop the bags around the friendship group, andyou also just wrapping in material and ribbon as well, is a nice way, becauseyou can use that again all later in the year, if you're crafting anything, it'squite a good way to to minimize the amount of waste on Christmas Day itself. I guess other things. We've talkedquite a lot about gifting aspects, but there's lots of other ways that we coulbe conten and we touched upon travel earlier Georgi. I know you traveling up by train and things likethat, but for maybe where it's not possible for people to do that thisyear for safety reason. So if you got any tips on how we could maybe offsetor think about travel in a different way so that it's still kind ofsustainably minded, I think gosh it's difficult, becausethis year I mean, obviously we can offset it ike. I talk about that in aminute, but, like I think this year, it's kind of like taking whatever youcan get if you're traveling, because so much stuff isn't possible. Yeah I mean,I think lots of people are questioning how often they need to flyand Howetn. They need to travel, which has been great. You know if year ago,if it said, were going to ground nine percent of or airlines fleet, you dojust lotof. That is whatyou know so for that the environments, a massive winner,but I understand everyone wants to be a home for Christmas, Savol, Ants Thowith their families for Christmas. So I think it is that kind of like workingout. What is the most ECO for any way to get there? Is it public transfor? Inwhich case you might need to leave a little bit longer? Is it you know,sharing a car which actually works out? Actually, okay, if you've got as longas you got all like one person in the car people at four people in the carand your car sharing you're going the same direction. Then that's am reallygood option, but it's difficult when you wear thatagainst people's health risks and how much they want to be exposed to otherpeople in a confined space. So I think it's a really challenging travel isgoing to be ca in this Christmas, but there are lots of ways you canofset it. So we're working with Treadom, who areamazing...

...and you can kind of go on and work outhow fig you've travelled and I what way you've travelled and you've go offset,Nh, avl and then there's another one. That's actually just started coolreduce my footprint, which makes it even easier. I think it's three ninetypay T R ee. Ninety nine a month and they've worked out the average of oneperson's carbinimations over the course of viyear taking in song travel. So tyou just do a standing order or a direct evid theys an use that to thepart trees of the Eten project all over the world. So that's a kind of like you can signut to and figet about it, but then there's lots of other carboncalculators. I know Gicky zero have a great one where you can work out whatyou're you know what your missions are lightly to be over Christmas, with allyour travel and everything can so you can start the opfset ofstep them or youcan even sign up other people than offset their permissions. You knowhappy Christmas. I oppet all your emissions for you yeah things like that, and I think yougoting back to sises, poing O know corbon off setting is, is well myAtesiv alleviate things, but so as giving to charity that charges thatwork with the environment as well. There's lots there's lot of differentways. It depends on your finances. I actually giving your time. You knowwhen this is Al. So talking about money to offset things. Actually,volunteering in your local area would be amazing. You know as a way of kindof bouncing out what your, what you're spending and what you're omitting yeah.Now I like that idea, I think I mean see when I a Bot in London. I know youwere traveling to London, a fervitch Wain ine this, but I think one thingI've noticed. Certainly where I live is the amount of homeless people, I think,is creeping Oup, yeah and actually in lockdown, had very very lifal supportfrom what I could see in that local area. So I think as well. Christmas isthe time when maybe people leave the city or they maybe stay close to home,so they maybe less connected with that particular issue which affects Londonquitea. Lot that I EAH I sa. U also go back into the conscious thing.You know shopping with people at shelter and crisis, Byin secondandChristmas, Presente, Oro, donating things that you get that you don't need.You know that's another way to sortof close that loop as well yeah. I can. Let's make me talk about food aswell. I think I's quite an interesting topic for Christmas, because we'vetalked about those tins and the sever market. Ther everyone starts to stuck up on lots of things. How do you think you could be moreconscious when it comes to the food choices, we're making it Christmas? Sodo you have anything? Particular you do on Christmas Day that yeah when Wen, there's just the two of us,so we don't have a big Christmas and we tend to go away yo rather thannecessarily host a Christmas at home. It's one of those things that frankly,alwas confounded me is. Why is the supermarket more crowded at Christmastime, because srolly people have to eat all year round yeah, so we wouldn't typically wed be awaysomewhere. We might just go out for lunch, Ol go for dinner, but it wouldjust be an ordinary out for Lunturut for dinner, and you know, food waist isone of those things that actually really upsets me and so y planning. Iguess your meal around what you're likely to ind not likely to eat notonly savesyu money, but actually is it's just an all round. Beter thing todo so, I mean, I hope, that a lot more people will give thought to that. Thisyer PEPs, because they've got a bit more time on their hands. So often convenience and time are reallymixed in together and it got bit more time. You can plarn a bit further ahead,which means that you actually not necessarily buying or making meals thatpeople won't eat. Nso Yeah we're pretty luky aboutChristass, Toas remen to be fair. People have actually caught me a grinchin the past, so I have to be on the other way like Ihave to rain myself in a Christmas because not fror likesourding stuff or buying stuff too...

...early, but I get over excited aboutwhat I can cook and what I want to make and what I'm going to serve to people,and I forget that people don't want three calses, perhaps three times a day. You know make this and I've got peopleI can make this and hen and after about two days, I'm like no one wants to eatanything else ever again because I've overfed them. So I think I have to kind of rainmyself in a go: Okay E, we probably don't need really heavy big meals. Youknow every night over Christmas. I don't need to buy starters and I don'tneed to buy pudding for everybody and yeah. Think O. I think t there is that wantor desire to kind of give people a good time and to kind of impress people oractually do it, because it gives you pleasure.You know it ould gives me a lot of plessure, but I think as well like one thing:I've definitely Hond up on this summer as been like using leftovers morewisely freezing things. You know creating meals from my cupboards thatperhaps don't ever have a recipe and should never be made over again, rather than kind of making every mealand event yeah know, and I also think as well. We are moving and more heapthan moving from very heavy like meat and dairyover Christmas towards more palmbased alternatives. I know there's a lot,there's a big debate around whether we just eat fake meed products or whetherwe don't eat me at tall yeah, but I think we're planning lows and iso Regan recipes over Christmas and making vegetables. Then real heroes ofChristmas, so obviously they're so much easier to them. Use Up to start wasteto not throw away they coming less plastic. You know there's so many more invironmental benefits of easing apartbased, I other than just a nutrition and an what's on your play. So I thinkpeople are starting to kind of shift away from that. Very traditional got TiTurkey. It's got to be Christmas pudding, it's got to be everything yeahin a Bodthin, and I think I was ta to see there's alot of crtivity coming through with hesappes. I think with prodon that meanthere's so many incredible vedge around veg vegetable varieties around thistime of year, and also you just feel lighter. Youdon't want to her a nap ut to aclock every singleay, because your esingpastry and lots of meat and lots of cream and allof the trimmings, but in our family on Christmas we actually just have one bigmeal. Wel have a list. We have a sat sumorfor our stocking Christ- breakfast, maybe maybe bit of chocolate, but thenthe main middle starts Al to a clot, and we just eat three courses but overa very, very long period of time and actually means that Yeu sit around thetable as a family for probably about six hours, but it just flies by because food isn't really the it is about thefood. But it's also about just tisting under at the dble Ye. It doesn't feellike. You need to then be like Oh wens, the next meal. We just have a fewlittle picky bits here and there but yeah. So I think that's quite a niceway of making food be an extended part of it. Walther that lots and lots ofrother than IFF rather than the main event o Yeah Yehyeah, just have playone board game in between every course you'R. Really, that's the best thing about Christmas,a Bois right yeah! I do wantter tot as well, because thisye hs been so topsy tevy and everyone's been at home and probably eaten morethroughout the year than they have done normally or smacked whatever. Whetherwe need to go into that over Christmas, because I to beginning with I felt likethe lockdown- was kind of that weird bit between Christmas in the year,where you'rl kind of hoping, nothing's really working, and it's all a bitwaite. So I I kind of feel like yes, Christmasis brilliant to get together and I'm...

...realloking forward to. I don't feellike. I need that, like Slovenly bit, I feel like I'vedone quite lot, that this year yeah, so I feel like it's way more aboutbeing outside and just enjoying, not working rather than making it, becauseoften at Christmas is the first time or Wen intimes all e year. You get toreally just be at home, yeah and turn everything off, and obviously that ishas been o whole year. So I think maybe it's more active Christmas this year,so people I hope Ito. I mean people a Di to be away somewhere in thecountryside and not actually have to cook, because I'm really sik cooking. I wish you you have that to Sei meanwe've covered lots and lots of points, but do you have any other advice or and experience have your own ChristmasOve, not shared that that you think will help others to maybe think aboutthings a bit more consciously to how about you, one one of the very best ChristmasesI've ever hard was with my sister in Tesmena, where she was living. Where weworked at home to shelter serving Christmas dinner to people, it wasactually a really good experience. UNSO we've been looking at whether somethinglike that might happen in our local area, because I know that I would enjoydoing that and I actually really. I guess it's just one of those thingsthat we o feel good doing it, and then you know you're benefiting other peopleas well. So, and I hope more people are prepared todo things like this year, but that's this year I feel thate. There is a muchstronger community spirit around where I live now, in a way that there wasn'tlast year, and so I'm hoping that there's a lot more community typeactivities that happen around Christmas Georgina. How about you I'm going to give like two slightlycontradictorary things, but they do kind of work if you bearany thing onceat following on from Sus, I think you know at the starts of lockdown. We hadalways amazing what at wit, spring up and mutual aid groups and communitygroups, and I wonder how we can use those over Christmas, like wit se Saing,if with the with the serving food and things, but also like jocking giftsinto neighbors and dropping cards in or making biscuits with people or just, Ithink, we're all going to need a bit more community Chir this year,especially things go on the way they've been going on for the last few weeks, so I think actually not forgetsing,that kind of coming togetherness that we had. You know back in o May and June, and sowe reresurrecting that Bi resited Resurrectiv Mat and then also, I would say, on theflipside, though don't let what other people are doing distracto from whatyou want to do. You know, there's a lot of appresson that ULP with the Jonesesand like Oh they've, gut more decorations or Soanso, is going to domore presence I's just about what you feel comfortable with and having thoseconversations to people around you. And if you I feel like this year, it's oneof year, where we can kind of go. This is how I want to celebrate Christmasand that's okay. You know, so I think it's about of actually so t of livingthose values, oot Christmas that perhaps embraced ot the rest of theyear yeah carrying it through and don't go wild because it nicing time of year,which it is exciting, were probably we're not giving us a bisay thateveryone has a really know purest, strict none Christmas filled with joy and love andall of these things Ik. It can be still incredibly depfiden. It's just if youwant to try and make a few little changes that might make a bigdifference than yeah. We've got some good ideas and speaking of community weor sue, and I are both going to be involved in Georgin's upcoming event,which is futiwhich. I mean I let you speak about it, but we're great verexcited to be Pato bit and which is virtual this year, so tell us aboutfinchrest and why you chosein November,...

...to haste it. So we did four big pebble. Fest eventslast year in London in person and sous been a couple of them carwy. I thinkyou might fin at the last Tome I can n yeah WLL. I have another event on thesame day, but otherwise I that itlast one was the end of November last yearand it was beautiful like we had always twinkly lights, it was reallyChristmasy and it was a huge market and talk some workshops and it was solovely to see our online community come together, ofline and meet you peopleand just all celebrate together and encourage each other to makesustainable choices and share information. All these other amazingthings. So obviously this year's been completely different and we reallywanted to not lose that and bring our community together. You know and toopen ourselves up to a bigger community at the end of this year. The reason itit's on the seventheen eighth of November. It's called future first andoriginally it was going to be a massive inperson event around cop twenty six,which was dude to be early November, obviously been canceled or Orpisa pushback for year. So that's why Iwas ot early November and we were going totake over the TRU andbrewery in London and have like all these differentinstilations and activations and planes going on Andin July. We just had to go yeah,that's not going to happen so we'vh pivoted onto Aon, my virch onmy virtual festival again with talks workshops, a hugemarket which youre both involved in and we've got diy workshops around skincare and upcycling mindset, change, Vegan, cooking with Tom Hunt from theGuardian, all sorts of different things, and then we've got nine of the world'sbiggest estatable cokcasters coming to record US exclusive episodes, LilyColes going to be in conversation on Saturday, and we just confirmed adocumentary that we're going to show the night before for Free With RainDance Film Festival. All of this is Great Green Wall across Africa. Sowe've got some amazing partners involved. I think we've got forty fourmarket stands now. We've got bout. Thirty speakers TER's a music stagewhere we part trees. Are you dancing in your living room with eve Bo wine tasting, which I'mquite excited about? I so yeah? It's a really. It feels like a really good wayto round off what has been a pretty stressful year, bring people together.It's Christmas butwithout, any Christmas inthiss. So you don't need toworry about that, but you can do your Christmas shopping. Obviously, and allticket holders get discounts across the market. So to help you do your shoppingyeah, including discount from blowof, Lut and kind to acualyou're, going to be doing a freebeauty, consultations. Aso People can kind of find you and book him forExpert Afvice, Yes da. You can have a little video chat with me. If you want to make swaps your owndtegime and maybe switch to organic products or natural only products, anyou want to try some plastic free Champivas. We can also talk you tand orif you want to help, if you are not, if you're a conscious Christmas virgin,I would say- and you want to try and find a gift for someone that is reallysustainably minded and you're bit stuck. Then we can also help you with that Ta.So yeah, I'm really really looking forward to it. I think it's going to bean incredible event and I'm you know very privileged to be there alogside tosee as well. We also represent see what are you looking forward to you aboutthe festival? Well, I'm wondering how I can actually attend some of the extalevents as well as men must stand and iwuld be everywhere so because I'mreally excited had Goud look through the people are talking, I'm actuallygoing to be joining Andrea Fox on the age of plastic, Poos for a smallsegment, so I might have a stand in person for me at least a little lookYeu little bit well, I have really good...

...news for you al Os, the content, allthe talks, all the fodcast, all the workshops, not the networking, butthat's the only thing its going to be recorded and available for two weeksafterwards. So e don't have to sit there for eight hours day. WATCHG ME,your ticket get t you all access to all the videos afterwards, so you can kindof catch up on demark like you, do a netflix perfect, be in two places atonce: okay, that's good magic! BCAUSE Ey have a virtua wine tasing as wellhenfinitly. Well, I can think of a better way to continue the start of ourconversation and enjoy I clace to Christmas. Maybe do some contrryshopping and also learn more about how you can be more consciously minded aswell. So thank you and thanks for chatting today if people want to get tofit storgyo that do you want to just give a little plug for your ticket whenYeah Co, it is becebal feature fscom for all the tickets and the tickets atseven pound, fifty for all of the content or weekend amazing, and you canof course find sus products which are a great imiller either pebl fes at we arekind to or kind to, dop me is your atset or, of course, atproabtcom aswell to thanks for chatting today and we'll see you again very soon. Thanksfor having me it's bee now, very, very festive, yes am thank you Karon. Thank you, Thats Fe,by thank you to sue and Georgina forsharing some incredible tips on how to spend more mindfully. This ChristmasI'll certainly be introducing Sammar to my own a Christmas this year, and I canreally see how mindful gifting can help to alleviate some of the feelings ofstress or anxiety, thatre, often associated with gifting at this time ofyear. I hope you've enjoyed the episode and are inspired to attend pebbl Magas,future fest on the seventh and neighth of November, but for all alerts onfuture episodes, make sure to rate and subscribe thanks to listening.

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